Woof: improved Arch support

Forum member noryb009 sent me a patch for Woof, to improve support for Arch Linux. Here is the pm from noryb009:

Over the last few days, I've been playing around with woof and archlinux. I changed a few scripts for better archlinux support.

- support for .pkg.tar.xz, while keeping .pkg.tar.gz support (some packages are still .pkg.tar.gz for backwards compatibility)
- better reading from database files - supports split packages
- changed some repository locations, I couldn't connect to a few of the previous ones, and a few of the previous ones were really old snapshots
- added support for arch .INSTALL files (arch's .pinstall.sh)
- changed/removed some renamed packages in DISTRO_PKG_SPECS-arch

With the patched DISTRO_PKG_SPECS-arch, you can make an ISO, but X doesn't start for some reason.

That last point will need attention. noryb009 has modified the package selection. Back when I first created Arch support in Woof, X did start.

I have applied the patch, and it will be in the next upload of Woof.

Posted on 21 Nov 2011, 5:08


Posted on 22 Nov 2011, 20:32 by i cog
ping: unknown host www.murga-linux.com
ping www.murga-linux.com
ping: unknown host www.murga-linux.com

Posted on 23 Nov 2011, 3:39 by Dougal
Something unrelated: this seems interesting

Posted on 23 Nov 2011, 7:16 by 8-bit
Murga-Linux Forum down
A little off subject here, but do you have a way to contact John Murga as to the disposition of the Puppy forum?
We are all concerned as no one has been able to access the site.
I do not know if it is a server problem that is causing this, but I thought you might like to let him know in case he does not know of the problem.

Posted on 23 Nov 2011, 11:17 by edoc
Murga-down - MIrror Possible?
We really need mirrored servers in locations that are really hard for these slimy-attackers to get at ... or at least some redundancy to limit their effectiveness.

I will send a few bucks for the cause, may even convince my domain host to be a mirror ...

OpenDNS Guide
Hmm, www.murga-linux.com isn't loading right now.

The computers that run www.murga-linux.com are having some trouble. Usually this is just a temporary problem, so you might want to try again in a few minutes.

Want more detail? See which nameservers are failing.
Nameserver trace for www.murga-linux.com:

Looking for who is responsible for root zone and followed e.root-servers.net.
Looking for who is responsible for com and followed e.gtld-servers.net.
Looking for who is responsible for murga-linux.com and followed ns2.murga-linux.com.

Nameservers for www.murga-linux.com:

ns2.murga-linux.com returned (SERVFAIL)
ns3.murga-linux.com returned (SERVFAIL)

Posted on 23 Nov 2011, 17:00 by mavrothal
Given that this site is the currently the only major info source for puppylinux, it may worth posting something relevant to the recent trouble of the forum (assuming that you know something more)

Posted on 23 Nov 2011, 17:58 by Sage
Have e-mailed John, but suspect he's already aware? He's usually very quick on the scene. Suggested he ask BK to post advisories here when problems occur. Mirroring would be ideal but throws additional costs onto another person(s). Doesn't help that John's principal moderator lives in one of the last timezones to welcome the new day. Unfortunate that good Wary & Racy have just been released and Puppy up to 5th in the 7-day DW chart. Regularly attracting such worldwide acclaim, seems time to implement some new options?

Posted on 23 Nov 2011, 18:08 by Terryphi
Forum status page
How about a Forum status page on another server? This could be used to provide users with info when the Forum is down.

Posted on 23 Nov 2011, 18:10 by BarryK
Re forum
John sent me and others an email recently that he would be traveling for awhile and not readily available. I don't recall any specific dates.

I guess John will take a look at it whenever he next reads his email.

Nothing that I can do about it.

Well, we can go over to our "secondary" forum:


Posted on 24 Nov 2011, 3:05 by FeodorF.
"secondary" forum
We are not very welcomed over there.

Jonyo wrote:
...best news is i won't have to deal with aitch or canari types anymore lmao or waste time with jmurga and his loser buds...

Any other suggestions BarryK?

Best Wishes

Posted on 24 Nov 2011, 3:46 by Joan in Reno
Puppy Google or Yahoo User Group
Just an idea...

Posted on 24 Nov 2011, 4:58 by steevieb
There is a Puppy Linux Users Group on Facebook here
http://www.facebook.com/groups/105376249522117/ set up by Jay.

Posted on 24 Nov 2011, 5:11 by GCMartin
Forum issues abound
Barry, I had PM a while back in an effort to work with you on some of this concerns before this happened.

I believe you had receive that PM last month. I am still offering.

Here to help

Posted on 24 Nov 2011, 6:23 by GCMartin
Forum issues abound
Sorry that was gmail Oct 19

Posted on 24 Nov 2011, 8:53 by Raffy
Alternate Help Board
John has no reply until now.

Please go to this alternate help board.

Thanks for your support.

Posted on 24 Nov 2011, 8:45 by Ferrum Ten
How about My Opera?
How about My Opera forums as secondary? I mean, 2GB storage per user for file sharing, forum+group+blog... Um, sorry, I forgot not everyone is fond of Opera :D

Posted on 24 Nov 2011, 17:14 by GCMartin
John's Name-servers are down
   Domain Name: MURGA-LINUX.COM

Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com
Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Status: clientRenewProhibited
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Updated Date: 11-jul-2011
Creation Date: 19-nov-2006
Expiration Date: 19-nov-2012
"ping" accurately describes the problem.

Hope this helps

Posted on 24 Nov 2011, 20:40 by ICPUG
Secondary Forums
Jonyo has been warned by a moderator on Linux Questions about his behaviour and he says he will keep quiet now. We'll see.


access blocked by the system my Employer uses to protect(!) us.

Perhaps this serious outage will concentrate the minds as to how we solve this problem in future. I personally don't want to have to register with Google, Facebook or any other commercial entity in order to get/provide help. Linux Questions would be OK if everybody knew about it. As ever the problem is disseminating information so everyone knows. All the people who link the Murga forum should also clearly link the alternative forum and say for use when Murga forum has an outage. I, myself am guilty of not doing that!

Of course the problem is far greater than the forum help. The loss of links to all the useful pets, puplets, etc. also needs to be solved. Some things can only be downloaded from the forum!

Posted on 24 Nov 2011, 23:08 by Sage
Some things can only be downloaded from the forum!
The Forum repo is vast. On the one hand, John has always assured us that he has it well backed-up, but no-one so far has raised the issue of who owns the IPR! The bad news is that it may not be John?! Even worse, it may not even be the originators of all those invaluable links, tips, even .pet s?
Must be nearly a decade since I first mentioned these concerns, but, as ICPUG points out, we are all guilty of complacency and should've given John a lot more help a long time ago.

Posted on 25 Nov 2011, 7:40 by Puppyite
The www.puppylinuxforum.org is open and ready to serve Puppy Linux users.

Posted on 25 Nov 2011, 8:25 by disciple
"nearly a decade ago"
> Must be nearly a decade since I first mentioned these concerns

Puppy wasn't even around nearly a decade ago, was he?

Did you mean half a decade? ;)

Posted on 25 Nov 2011, 19:56 by Sage
Puppy wasn't even around nearly a decade ago, was he?
a) it seems that long!
b) I also offer humour transplants at reasonable rates for those in need...

Posted on 27 Nov 2011, 7:56 by Miriam English
a forum that can't go down
My main occupation used to be building virtual worlds, and prompted by various closures of "community" worlds I began working out how to make a distributed world that lives simultaneously on many, many machines. For historical reasons this was never taken up.

This recent outage of murga-linux forums brought the idea to mind again.

My thoughts had been that each person visiting an area of the distributed site would keep a cache of that part on their machine, so that it would simultaneously live on many machines and be shared with others from there. There would be nothing to prevent a central store of the site, but it would be more a backup than an active server. If it went down then there would still be all the mirrored parts on users' machines being shared, peer-to-peer.

I have some more technical stuff which I'm happy to share with anyone interested, though much of it specifically for 3D virtual worlds rather than a forum (however I suspect many of the problems and solutions are similar). I am unable to work on it for another month or so while I finish writing a book, after which I should have more time, but I'd be delighted if anybody came up with ways to do this before then.

We all are conscious of the beauty and resilience of the internet in not having a central point, but we continue to repeat the old errors of centralising everything, and then are surprised at the fragility of what we have (I'm guilty of this too).

Thoughts, anyone?

Posted on 27 Nov 2011, 9:12 by previously known as aarf
cloud forum
hello miriam

cloud forum
http://www.bitcoin.org/ =virtual money operates in a similar manner storing parts of the system on users computer.
privacy - if only visited pages are stored.
changing puppies- need to be able to easily move the forum storage area between puppies/savefiles.
bittorent- is available for file transfer but puppy doesn't even see fit to use that- not enough users?

" and prompted by various closures of "community" "tell us more about how these closures happened? are they being stifled by third parties, lack of interest, other reasons? do you have inks to currently operating 3d worlds that you created?

ps: i now have an external portable dvd player but i am not going to tell you:)